The Burn Podcast by Ben Newman
Join Ben Newman, highly regarded Performance Coach, International Keynote Speaker and 2x WSJ Best-Seller, as he takes you into the minds of some of the highest performers in sports and business to tell their full story. The "Burn" is something we all have, but rarely do people uncover and connect to it. Ben helps people from all walks of life reach their true maximum potential.
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The Burn Podcast by Ben Newman
Sweat, Sacrifice, and Standards | What It Takes to Rise and Keep Rising
This week on The Burn Podcast, we revisit three unforgettable episodes featuring high performers who have not only built incredible careers—but have done so through relentless discipline, ownership, and an unwavering commitment to THEIR BURN.
We begin with Ben Kenyon, the Director of Performance for the Philadelphia 76ers. Ben’s journey from sleeping on the floor as an unpaid strength and conditioning intern to working with NBA elites is a masterclass in hustle and heart. Through the wisdom shared in his book Climb, and his lived experience navigating adversity, Ben shows us what it means to rise through grit, not luck. His story is proof that success doesn’t happen by accident—it happens when YOU stay consistent, focused, and willing to outwork the rest.
Next, we hear from Don Saladino, the trainer behind some of Hollywood’s biggest transformations. With over two decades in the fitness industry, Don has trained stars like Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively, and Hugh Jackman. But it’s not just about physical strength—it’s about mental discipline, purpose, and evolving beyond the walls of the gym. Don shares how he grew from gym owner to global fitness leader, and what it takes to build a brand that impacts lives around the world.
Closing the episode is a raw and powerful conversation with Sean Whalen—entrepreneur, speaker, and best-selling author. Sean doesn’t sugarcoat the truth. He talks openly about overcoming bankruptcy, divorce, and personal darkness to find clarity, power, and purpose. His message? YOU are the only one responsible for changing YOUR life. From his “Core Four” approach—power, passion, purpose, and production—to his daily practices rooted in discipline, gratitude, and family, Sean delivers a message that will challenge YOU to step up, confront YOUR fears, and create the life YOU were born to live.
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before your father passed away. There's something that your father said to you and you know I'm an emotional dude, so I'm gonna take you right there. What was it like when you know you had a father who would have loved to have spent another four or five decades with you? Say to you on his deathbed, son, you don't even realize how blessed you are, yet what was that like for you?
Speaker 2:Oh man, that was extremely grounding For me. To not really understand that just yet was a lot. I said why the heck did he say that? What's making him say that? What am I doing that's allowing him to kind of say that? And after doing some of my homework on my pops, he came up really rough. He didn't really know his dad, his grandmother, who was 72, raised him. He was adopted at the age of 16. He was kind of a misfit, ends up getting put into the draft, goes to the Vietnam War, does the Vietnam thing Fast forward and has me at one point and gets to actually see the future that he wanted for his life, right in front of him, right on his deathbed.
Speaker 2:He now shares with me like, hey, man, like you've got it. You know, you've gone to the prep schools, we've gone out of our way to really sacrifice our lives to set you up for the big win. And when I was sleeping on the floor at the University of Florida as an intern, you know I had that woe is me energy. I can't see the future just yet, but like, I feel like it's going to be bright. But I'm sleeping on the floor right now, pop's like, and you're going through what you're going through, that this does not feel good. So for him to say what he said in that instance you know again, this is probably two weeks before he passed away and he knew he was going to go For him to say that to me meant the world, because at that moment I said all right, he sees something that I don't see just yet and I'm going to go out of my way to really double down on this opportunity because, you know, he sees a blessing that I've got to be able to step into.
Speaker 1:What does it feel like and how did you have a burn right that told you everything that your father told you then you having this burn while you're sleeping on the floor, that one day, knowing that that's where you were at the University of Florida, that now you would be the director of performance for the Philadelphia 76ers what did that feel like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, that moment I had to to lean on God. Step one was finding my belief system and really pouring into it. God was everything. My mom and my pops raised me in an Episcopalian church and it helped me set the foundation of where I was in that moment and where I am now. So step one was understanding my belief system and just pouring into it. So what I did every day, I just prayed. I said, hey, if this is where I'm supposed to be, continue to show me the signs, continue to pour on me, show me that this is something that I know I can grow from. And then step two I got really clear at an early age that I either wanted to play basketball or be a coach, and so in that instance I said you know what, dude, I'm doing it Again, I'm not getting pages yet, but I'm doing it Right.
Speaker 2:So if you value this, this is a core value of yours, Like, let's go, let's dial in. So I figured out, you know, the things that I loved about strength and conditioning, and I figured out how to actually educate myself in those things. You know. I picked up some more educational tools. I had a PlayStation and a TV and I would go home after workouts and I would literally watch Gary Gray had a Gray Institute DVDs at the time and I would watch like all 20 to 30 of them week after week and just continue to improve my craft until that next opportunity popped open, you know. So I really leaned into my values. I made sure that I stayed freed up. I figured out, you know, in that instance, like all these tough things are happening for a reason. So why not take advantage of this and build that integrity now, Because I know I can use it later?
Speaker 1:on in life. I've found that to be such a key for individuals' performance on the mental side, the physical side, in the world of business and in sports.
Speaker 2:Why is an individual taking ownership and responsibility so important for them to drive their highest level of performance? I'm here for leadership, right. I'm here for growth, and so I would love for people to continue to take things from my journey and the one thing I learned was the faster I took ownership, the faster people around me took ownership right. So, as a team player, I said you know what? I messed up on that thing right there. I could have did that better, I could have been more sharp, I could have been more prepared. So now the next person over is like shoot, maybe I could have been more prepared, maybe more sharp, you know, et cetera. I just think it's important to let it start with you as a leader. If it's successful or it's a failure, you know. Either way, you have to go out of your way to make sure that you take ownership, because it will be contagious. That is a positive, contagious attribute that you want to be able to adopt as a leader as you continue to grow.
Speaker 2:It's tough because a lot of people like to pass the buck, the way that sports is set up. Sometimes, especially professional sports, there's a lot of finger pointing, but what I've seen from a lot of the championship teams is they look within. They figure out what they can do to help their team. If they're the best in the basketball team, if you're the best rebounder, how can I get two more rebounds? If you're the best scorer, how can I get a couple extra points? Why? Because my team needs me to score? If you're the best facilitator, how can I get more assists? How can I put myself in a position that allows me to be better than I was yesterday?
Speaker 2:And that's taking ownership of everything that you're doing, especially on the business side. It's doing the same thing making sure that you maybe get two extra calls in that day if you're on sales, making sure that you're actually checking in with your teammates and saying, all right, am I on the right track? Am I doing the things that's necessary for us to grow as a company? So it's vital. I don't think a lot of leaders at the lower level really understand that. Ownership is pretty much what the high performers are doing. They're just taking ownership of their life and they're accepting the failures and the successes and they're moving forward with that.
Speaker 1:Isn't it the basics? Isn't it the root, like the basic routines that make these guys great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what? There's this philosophy that was dropped on me early on in my career and I stick to it now. It's called KISS, keep it Simple, superstar right, and it's worked year after year after year with, you know, solid athletes to elite athletes, that athlete to build a rapport that if we want to venture off in a certain direction, you know, if we want to get a little more functional, a little more basketball specific, we can do that because we have a solid foundation and they feel that they see it, they understand it, they know the process versus, you know, stepping into something that may be a little too complex. Again, we're still humans that like things to come to us very simply and the one thing I've seen with the Joels, with Tyrese Dames, everybody really their bodies absorb the most basic exercises. When we have to go more of a global, we have to, or, excuse me, more of a local focus of like, hey, this is hurting me right now, sweet, I'll sit down with a physical therapist and then we'll create a variation that allows us to now step outside the typical box, right? So the variations typically come from the foundational pieces, so, understanding that it goes back to routine, you know. So, outside of strength and conditioning.
Speaker 2:You know what are you doing to prepare yourself to actually go to the gym? Right, what is your morning practice? Look like, you know, maybe they're so young they haven't started meditation just yet, but I feel like some of the high schools are actually doing a good job of presenting that a lot earlier on. So people are stepping into their meditation, their prayer period, early in the morning, and then they're obviously doing their breakfast and doing the things that they need to do prior to coming into practice. And then, when they get to the facility, what are they doing then? Right, are they checking in with the athletic trainer? Are they checking in with the chef to get breakfast? If they didn't have it at home? Sweet, what's next? Foam roll, sweet, let's foam roll, let's get the body warmed up. Oh, you know what? It's time to go to the weight room next. Right. One after the other after the other, stacking those days, setting the new standards. Every level that you go, you have to be able to set that new standard.
Speaker 1:It's impossible, it's impossible to thrive on the next level of your life and your career if you don't set that new standard and it comes from the old routines that you've actually established and the principles that you've built up, because I always talk about the seduction of success, like if you win a football game, if you ever want to win another football game, you have to repeat the disciplines that caused you to finish and win the first one, and then you have to break down the pieces of the game film that your opportunity to improve, right. So how are you, how are you teaching and coaching those methodologies to keep people from being seduced by success, like you're not seduced.
Speaker 3:It's got to be practiced Right and I think it's understanding. One of the reasons why I love this industry that I jumped into is I really felt like most of it was in our control. Where I could play college baseball, I was a really good player. I played in Division One school. I was a three hitter, started my sophomore year through my senior year as a two year captain, like I had a good career Right, but you could still go into a game and strike out twice, so you can hit the ball hard four times and line out.
Speaker 3:It's like it doesn't reflect the work that you did and I think one of the reasons why I fell in love with this was I was like, oh my God, I can change my physiology in that period of time. I can just go in and I can eat right, I can train, I can get my steps in, I can put work into this, into recovery and all these things, and I just feel better from it. And to have that type of power over yourself, over your mood, and be able to no matter what kind of change it, that, to me, was really powerful and that was practiced. And, to be honest, most people look at what I do and they're like, oh my God, it's got to be so hard. Like it's actually I'm sorry to say this it's incredibly easy, because this is just what I've been doing. And if I wasn't like, don't you want to have a piece of pizza? I'm like, well, I want to have a piece of pizza. I do. Sunday I was watching football. I had four slices of pizza. Like loved it, delicious. The next day it was the business. Like I don't, I don't. Like I had my fun, I was done. And it's time to move on off of that. And I become like this robot where it's time to train. It doesn't matter what time it is. Like you said, like you worked out two, 33 in the morning. Like it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what I have, it doesn't matter. And people will. You're tired, shouldn't you be sleeping? It's not about the muscle, it's not about my abs, it's about my mind, it's about going in. And if I wake up and I feel crappy, being able to change that mood instantaneously. And when you rinse and repeat, and rinse and repeat, and rinse and repeat for 20, 25, 30 years, like it just it becomes really easy. It's like anything else. It has to be practiced.
Speaker 3:Someone comes to me and they're like I'm not hungry in the morning, I don't eat breakfast. And I'm like well, when's the last time you had breakfast? Five years ago? I'm like well, of course you're not hungry. Your body's learned to adapt to not eating breakfast. Like, do you want to start incorporating breakfast in? Well, I feel like my energy is dropping. I feel like it would help me. All right, let's start building on, be motivated.
Speaker 3:No, you don't. You've got to go through 25, 30, 35 years of just excuse my language shit Like just working for free. You know me. How many free training sessions did I do? Or how many moments have I bent over backwards for people that I just never saw again? And you know, was that wasted time? No, that allowed me to develop character. That allowed me to develop work ethic. I don't regret one of those free sessions, even if I never saw those people again, or even if I you know if they burned me. I'm still happy I did it because it allowed me to be able to tell the story and it shows that level of resiliency and coming back at it and coming back at it, I told you I miss I almost miss 37 consecutive payrolls at my club, like the American Express shut off my card, con Ed shut off my power and the next, you know, power goes off and I'm walking out.
Speaker 3:The members are like, where's the power? I'm like freaking Verizon just hit a pipe outside Like the freaking, you know, like windows up, shades up. Do I have to start singing? Let's get some energy up in here. And people would just start laughing and we'd move and like my heart would be racing because I'd be like, oh my God, I got to keep my game face on right now and then I got to go find money and I got to be able to make this happen. It's just part of my path, man. I'm not telling you I'd wish it on anyone, it was just part of my path and I made best use of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's incredible the adversity and challenge that you've shared and alluded to. But there's one thing that you said when we were together down in austin for the event and it wasn't just to me, I mean, it was to everybody, sure, and you said this, and when I heard it, I maybe heard it differently than everybody else. I really like to pay attention to the details. You said you haven't missed a workout since 1996. Yeah, and so when everybody hears wait a second, he missed 37. And so when everybody hears wait a second, he missed 37 payrolls, he did that. Like, wait a second, like how did this guy keep it together? Like I say standard over feelings all the time? I mean, for most people that breaks you, destroys you and you never come back again. But what I hear is he still worked out every day, he still did the little things every day, he still trained the people that were counting on him to you still showed up. How important is it for people to continue to show up when you get your teeth kicked in in life?
Speaker 3:You know it's some people will go to the bottle, like I, just I would go to training it just. I remember the day my wife you know my wife had our first kid and you know I'm literally running out of the hospital the next morning at 5am to go to the gym. It just it was a conversation I had with her early on and I'm like, listen, I don't know if you're ever going to understand how I take, or you know, there's certain things that you got to accept. This is who I am and this is, and I need this, need this, and I'll run through walls if I can get this in.
Speaker 3:But if you're sitting here trying to put shackles on me or keep me from doing these things that I need to do to focus on myself, people think of that as selfish. I think it's selfish to let yourself go. I think when you let yourself go, suddenly you're not leading by example for your children. Suddenly you're not able to be there and have that mood that you need to have for your partner and be able to deliver. You know, in life and in business, and if I didn't have that stuff, I'm not going to be the dad I am, I'm not going to be the person that I am. So I think I recognize at a really early age that it's going to sound really terrible right now.
Speaker 3:I'm putting it this way, I'm keeping it real with you, like I was my most important client, I would never, ever, ever, book anyone over me. If I had 10 sessions booked out during the day and I had an hour and a half block to train, it could have been the most famous person on the planet. I would not take them on, I didn't care. But I knew the importance. I knew if I let myself down like that, I would never be able to lead by example. It would never be believable. People would just look at me and I suddenly I'm just some other guy. Like part of what put me on the platform that I was put on this was my discipline and, yeah, the type of person that I am.
Speaker 3:They realized that I wasn't in it for the social media. I wasn't in it for the press. I was really in it to help them improve. But it's got to start with me. If I want to be one of the best in the world at what I do, it's got to start with me. I got to lead by example on my business, on my own business card, you know so.
Speaker 1:I mean this. This is the stuff that like people need to hear, because whether you're a CEO and you're running a company, whether you're a head coach of a team, people lose sight of the importance of being the example. And that's not you being selfish, that's you saying if I don't honor that workout, I break the string. That goes back to 1996. I become a fraud and I will not stand in front of you and be a fraud when I'm supposed to be your coach and hold you disciplined and accountable. At the end of the day, stop talking about the athlete that you once were. These kids are not going to listen to you. If you're not disciplined yourself, Nobody's going to be moved to take action by the guy who tells the story about what he used to do 20 years ago. It's we have to continue to do the work. See that you're not seduced by success. There's a fire that comes inside of you. Where does that come from for you? Why do we experience this fire that comes?
Speaker 4:I thought for 30 years of my life. It was the status, it was the checking off the boxes of the financial acumen, of the business success, and it took almost 40 years for me to understand that the game that I'm playing is the game of life. Literally, waking up is the single greatest gift that I've got. And it's not some hokey pokey airy fairy like mystical, magical thing. The reality is the money game is an easy game. The business game is an easy game. It's the some hokey pokey airy fairy like mystical, magical thing. The reality is the money game's an easy game. The business game's an easy game. It's the fact that I get to wake up every single day.
Speaker 4:I've had I can't even tell you how many people in the last two, three years that have passed away that were close to me and I realized like my clock is ticking. So I truly became obsessed with life, not like I love the money, I love the money, I love the business, I love the game, I love the competition, but fucking life. Like realizing I'm living this one dimensional reality and there's millions of destinations around the world that I haven't visited yet, places that I haven't seen, books that I haven't read, people that I haven't talked to people that I haven't had a chance to sit down and smoke cigars with, and it just became this insane obsession to squeeze every single second out of every single day and make it like the best fucking moment that I could even fathom the way that we show up.
Speaker 1:It's a level of intensity it's not for everybody, right. But I always say to people like, is it so bad if Sean gets so fired up? You sign up for Lions, now Sheep, you sign up for his program. I've seen the map. I mean it's like all over the freaking world you lions, not sheep. You sign up for his program. I've seen the map. I mean it's like all over the freaking world you have people joining you so you sign up. Sean's not going to tell you it's going to be easy, nor is he going to say it's one little discipline and here you get this result. But people still resist and fight the fact that it will take great discipline, with great consistency over long periods of time that some people can't accept. What do you tell these individuals who, even when you say it, they still find it like no, no, no, sean, I signed up for your program because I was supposed to do this once, or pay you one monthly fee and I grow by 100 times over.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I struggle sometimes with this because I am somebody that's so obsessed with life because I lived on the opposite side. I was the guy that worked 20 hour days who ran himself into the ground. I almost blew my brains out. I literally contemplated suicide for almost a year of my life like why was I even here? And so I look at people and it's a struggle for me, truthfully, because I want to shake the shit out of it. We'd be like dude, you fucking woke up today. Stop being a bitch like go to fucking work. You got a dream. Go fucking live that dream. Yeah, but, yeah, but.
Speaker 4:And and it's a struggle for me and I'm sure as you look through, you know a lot of people through the ages who have become high performers. When you're empathic and you truly see the greatness and what people can become, it's hard to watch them play small. But I also realized a couple years ago if, if Michael Jordan was going to be the best, he wasn't going to be like nagging players to become better. He was like look, motherfucker, you either rise or you're off the fucking team. That's what it is. And so I really started to step into a place of leadership a couple of years ago and realizing I can't pull anybody with me, I can't make anybody do this. So for me, the greatest lighthouse that I can shine, the greatest light that I can shine, is my victories, my success, my wins, and just showing people. This is what I built, because I didn't come from money. I grew up in a single parent home. There's no silver spoon near my mouth. There's no rich grandfather that I called to bail me out when I was struggling. You know what I mean. I built every single thing that you see right, and I've got a team and I've got people and I've got a beautiful wife and and amazing friends that are part of this experience. But mango estate I fucking built this. And so for me, knowing like what's possible, it's a struggle at times because I truly, like I want to grab people, like just smack them in the face. But I do wake the fuck up. Like you're not being a good fucking man, like you're not being a good provider, a good father. Your watching you be a fucking compliant, complaining, whiny little fucking turd Like get your shit together. And it's a struggle, but at the same time, I realized that you just said this not everybody's meant for it, not everybody's meant to be an entrepreneur. I mean not everybody's meant to become a multimillionaire, not everybody's meant for the stage, not everybody's meant to do these things, but I do believe that everybody's meant for more. Whatever that more looks like to you, I want to help you get there. I want to show you what's possible. I want to show you what you could do from the darkness, what you can do from a broken home, what you can do being raised as a single parent, and what you could do in this culture, in this environment. Right now, that's telling you to sit down, quiet down, just be a silent, freaking observer. There is a radical opportunity for everybody, everybody to achieve more. Like.
Speaker 4:The thing that I fear the most is getting to my deathbed, realizing god put ideas in the air and fashion in the air, and I squandered it today because, as you and I study and as we read and we go back and we read the words of all of these, these, the cartergies and the rockefellers and all the gurus from before, they all say the same fucking thing at the end of their book. All of them, the titans of industry, they all say the same shit. If I could go back and do it all over again. I would have spent more time with my family and I would have spent more time doing the shit that I wanted to do. Notable Steve Jobs. It's $7 billion. He was worth $7 billion when he died. He literally says I can't buy the cure for my cancer. I literally don't know, I can't do that. If I could go back, I would have spent more time doing the shit that I want to do, and I consider myself a pretty fucking smart person.
Speaker 4:So as I evolved as a man over the years, I realized they're talking to me. They're talking to me. They're talking to you. They're talking to me. They're talking to you. They're talking to every motherfucker listening in this podcast. They're talking to you. You have right now what they wish they had, which is life.
Speaker 4:And so I made the declaration myself, like I do not separate work and home. There is no work, there is no home. It is my life. I am like a single-track human being. So when I invest in my business, I'm 150 percent of my business. When it's day, night, it doesn't matter. Who calls me. Jesus Christ could be at my front door knocking, and I'm like you're going to have to wait because it's daytime.
Speaker 4:This is how obsessed I am with this reality when I'm with my kids. Look, if the office caught on fire, I have smart enough people that'll call 911. Let me know how it fucking goes. I'll get to you when I'm done with my kids. Let me know how it fucking goes. I'll get to you when I'm done with my kids, cause, what the fuck am I going to do? Run over there with a hose, put the fire out.
Speaker 4:This is what I understood years ago and so for me, when I'm with my family, it's as balls deep, ruthlessly committed as it is to my money and my business. When I'm meditating, it's as powerfully connected as it is when I'm smashing freaking weights at the gym. And this is what I understood years ago is like there is no separation and I did this game the wrong way. I had home life and I had work life and I was one man over here and one man over here and, as I talked about in my book, I felt like I was juggling bowling balls. And juggling bowling balls fucking sucks. I've never really tried it because I'm not a great juggler. I can juggle baseballs and tennis balls, but I would imagine juggling bowling balls gets really freaking tired and really fast.
Speaker 4:And when I was at home, I felt like I needed to be at work. When I was at work, I needed to be at home and all of a sudden, the light went on after I blew my whole world up and I was like, why not just have everything be one? Why not have my family be involved in my business and my business to be my family? Why not build a life where there is no separation, where I don't have to delineate who I am one day, who I am another day? I mean, I have sat in big meetings where I'm like, doing big deals, and my kids will FaceTime me and I'll have millions of dollars on the line and I'm like, oh, that thought. And I pick my ball up and I'm FaceTiming my children because they're what, if that was the last time they call you understand what I'm saying? There is no separation for me. I am living my life, doing my deal. There is no one guy over here and one guy over here.
Speaker 4:It is an obsessed, passionate man about life, about business, about leadership, about being a father, about being a patriarch, about being a leader, about being a son of God. There is no delineation across the board for me. If you're listening to this man and your life sucks. You're down, you're whatever. I get it, I get it. I've been there. Break everything down to the simplest denominator.
Speaker 4:You woke up today. You got a shot today. I don't care how bad it is, I don't care how shitty everybody in your life is, you won the fucking lottery because I guarantee you, you walk through a cemetery and there's a ton of motherfuckers that are dead in the ground that would give anything to trade places with you. They trade places with you, no matter how shitty your life is, no matter how dark the hole is, no matter how much money you owe, no matter how much your wife fucking hates you, how much she hates you, whatever, they would trade places with you in a second. So remember that shit. You woke up. You woke up. You have another fucking day. You have another shot to completely reverse, engineer the entire game, to completely close the old book and start authoring the new one. It is completely, 100% up to you.
