Best Moments from Season 5

As 2023 comes to an official end, so does Season 5 of The Burn Podcast🔥!

We still can’t believe we’re well over 200 episodes now. It seems like yesterday we were just getting started with the first episode and guest.

As we do every year, we wanted to put together a little mashup of some of the best moments from this season.

Make sure to stay tuned because we are going to turn it up in Season 6!

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Speaker 1: 0:07

Dr Gabrielle Lyon, my friend, welcome to the burn.

Speaker 2: 0:12

Hi, I'm so happy to be here. What if I told you we don't have an obesity epidemic? We don't. We have a midlife muscle crisis.

Speaker 1: 0:21

People lose their discipline. And when they lose their discipline and lose their muscle and then become obese, the body doesn't know what to do. Isn't that accurate? Yes, yes. So tell us more like why has this country become so fixated on obese? And then it's this diet, it's that diet. Rather than actually tackling the problem, which is people's bodies aren't equipped to handle what's going on in their bodies, Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 0:49

There's a couple reasons why I believe Number one. The first question you always have to ask is who stands to benefit? Who stands to benefit from whatever message that we're putting forth? Is it the patient, Is it in the patient's best interest, or is it potentially a money-driven conglomerate Right?

Speaker 2: 1:12

So if we constantly focus on adiposity, being overweight, well then we can address the diet fixes that are going to, potentially that, or the Nabisco's or the processed foods, and we're constantly we have this smoke screen right Of continuously focused on adiposity, which is an overweightness which is a complete smoke screen. It is symptomology of an undisciplined life. It is and again, I'm not saying that everybody who is struggling with obesity has an undisciplined life. There are definitely metabolic contributing factors, but for the majority of people I will tell you this there are only 23% of the population is meeting their physical activity requirements. 23%, 73% of adults are either overweight or obese. So the question is if, in fact, we have an obesity epidemic, then we've identified the problem and, Ben, as you and I know, if you identify a problem, you can execute on that problem and you can fix that problem. However, if you have the wrong paradigm of thinking, then no matter what you do with underneath that paradigm and you execute appropriately, you will never get from point to point. See that.

Speaker 1: 2:30

Okay, that's fascinating because obviously in my work with athletes, business professionals, high performers same way that you're working with them every single day I understand the importance of great discipline. But if the great discipline is in the wrong area or it's spent doing the wrong things, you're actually going to, you're telling yourself your discipline, doing it, but you're compounding the wrong thing. Is that what I'm hearing you say?

Speaker 2: 2:55

That's exactly what I'm hearing you say, and we now live in an environment where they are. They are still hyper focused on the wrong thing we are. By focusing on obesity, we are making people unable and ill equipped to deal with their own life in an effective way. Rather. So if we focus on obesity, that's what we're going to get. Rather, if we shift to this muscle centric capacity and this muscle centric perspective, you become stronger physically, and you and I both know the only way to become physically stronger is to become mentally stronger.

Speaker 1: 3:33

Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 3:34

When you think about that, you have to think that there's really two ways that our health goes. One way is that it happens to us. Right, it just happens. You get older, you lose muscle, versus you execute, execute, execute. You do the harder thing. We realize that we live in an environment that is constantly fighting against us. It's true, we live in a hyper palatable environment. There's cookies, there's cakes, there's elevators, there's escalators, whatever it is, and we're living in an environment that is slowly going to deteriorate our health and our brain. That's exactly what happened to Betsy. Betsy had constantly struggled on that treadmill, like the hamster wheel of life, of trying to figure out the next fad diet, the next thing to do which, by the way, is a distraction All of the other things out there, it's all distraction as opposed to like I know you just competed 75 hard as opposed to executing. Here is your plan. Nothing is going to deter me from my plan. I understand what I need to do and I'm going to execute, execute, execute. Everything else is an excuse.

Speaker 1: 4:37

So the thing to me, and it's the excuses that get in the way and that is what is so fascinating and so brilliant. I tell Andy this all the time about the 75 hard program. And then you know to have the app. I mean, every time you click, like you did your workout, it is a endorphin shot, it is a dopamine shot and it is like I did what I said I was going to do and you know that, like I'm not hitting that button If I, if I miss hitting that button, I go all the way back to zero.

Speaker 1: 5:04

And some people, when they understand that's how you create disciplines, it's stacking those habits on top of each other. You almost become obsessed to those dopamine hits and those and it feels so good and you're not going to quit on yourself. I always say and I joke with Andy I'm like isn't it crazy that people could follow through with this program and then go To their job and not do the most basic things because they don't have to click the button on the app? And it is just. It's mind blowing to me how people build their behaviors and their disciplines. Eric Rock, welcome to the burn.

Speaker 4: 5:38

Well, the hell of an introduction, Ben. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 5:42

What is the burn for you? What is it that caused you to put in the work in order to build your businesses, which gave you a platform which helped you build a very successful life and have an amazing story? But also I want you to touch on this as well. I think this is important. One of the things that I respect about you so much is as a coach. You're also the example of living a disciplined life. It's not just success and making money. It's a disciplined life in taking care of your body and your mind, so you're one of those individuals who gets it done in all areas. So I know the burn is significant. What is that burn for you, eric?

Speaker 4: 6:23

Yeah, and I totally agree with you. The two most precious things you own, from my perspective, are your emotions and your health. Without those two things, money does nothing. For me, that's just a byproduct, which we've talked about. It's a byproduct of what I'm really after and for me, I'm a very obsessed human. Everything I do I obsess over almost to a fault, and for so much of my life I was told that it's not okay. People would look at some of my instincts and try to silence them or kind of contain them, get them smaller, and I felt like I was my whole life.

Speaker 4: 6:53

I was fighting for something I've never met my biological father. He abandoned my mother when she was pregnant with me and she was just a kid herself at a very young age, a teenager, I think she might have been 19. So I grew up in the world with no father. It's really important to have, I think, that male figure in your life, undeniable. I did have a stepdad, who I'm very grateful for, who entered my life when I was a young kid, but he was not easy to be around. It was a hard existence as a child for me, but I'm actually very grateful for it now. Nothing was handed to me Everything was a fight, a literal fight as a child. And you know when you're a child and you're working for something I was. I was working for something at a very young age. It instilled these neural pathways, I think, in my mindset that just made me stay in the pain longer than the next guy. Wherever your pain comes from in life. Mine happened to come from a lot of these childhood experiences in myself, even though I still will say I'm blessed and was grateful because there were so many kids that had it worse but sort of wanting to be seen and wanting to be loved. Just the fight for that alone created an excellence in me and a standard to me at a young age. That was just rare, it wasn't common. I was obsessively clean. I wanted everything to be perfect. I was a straight, a student, even though I wouldn't say I was that smart. I found ways to get the best, even at a young age. Best grades, I always found a way to get the best of whatever, and through high school even on. But that obsessive trait went the wrong direction for a while but it was instilled in me at a young age because I was fighting for something that a lot of the kids around me weren't fighting for. Jesse Lee was able to see something in me that I didn't even know existed, and that's where our relationship started and we just up to be honest. We never left each other. We spent a lot of hours communicating, talking. We create our own little mastermind.

Speaker 4: 8:46

She has such a powerful influence on everything you see today, ben, the combination of her and a few people really, but she was really the heart and soul of everything, one of the most powerful influences of my life. There's a few people when I close my eyes and I look back and I can just smile now thinking about like my grandma who passed away, my grandma who's still living today, jesse Lee, ed Milet. There's a handful more my cousin Trent, who taught me how to work out, even my mom and dad, just for the, for the some of the scar tissue that I adopted out of, out of the years of, of things that most people might look at, is is something not great that I'm like no, it was such a gift. I wish they would have known to frame it differently, but thank God for that. But she was one of these people. She taught me to be courageous in a way that I'd never seen.

Speaker 4: 9:34

I was on. I was on the phone with her the day she got the the the full body MRI scan back. That says she probably has really bad cancer, like it lit up, really bad. And Ben, I got to just say this give this testimony to Jesse Lee. This is so profound. We were just with the idea.

Speaker 1: 9:52

I had no idea I was going to go here.

Speaker 4: 9:54

No, I didn't. I didn't even know. You knew we were connected. I could light up about her.

Speaker 1: 10:00

And I say standard over feelings all the time, but, like you, are living the standard when most people would choose to not do it. So, jesse Lee, this is a long time coming. Welcome to the burn Wow.

Speaker 3: 10:15

Wow, amazing intro.

Speaker 1: 10:16

Thank you you don't have to do what you're doing right now. Why do you continue to do it? I'm beyond just the energy. Go, go deep as to the, as to what that burn is.

Speaker 3: 10:26

Yeah. So Ed warned me the other day. I was on the phone with him and he said your interviews and your conversations and your coaching and everything you do will never be the same after going through this, this cancer battle. And I was like, really Like, is it that serious? And he said it's that serious.

Speaker 3: 10:43

And as soon as you asked that I'm like you know what I think in the past even if it would have been a past, you know, a couple of months ago I would have said something like it's just legacy, or I'm playing for people who don't believe in themselves yet, or I want to show people really what's possible, or something like this. And more than ever right now, I think my answer to that question is totally different. I think it's. This is maybe more vulnerable than I expected to be, but I want to show myself that anything really actually is possible. I want to show myself that everything I do has never been in vain. I want to show myself I'm proud of me.

Speaker 3: 11:18

I have a lot of inner work stuff going on right now, because I think a lot of this has just caused her emotional trauma, honestly speaking, and what causes me to show up is knowing I've worked so hard and maybe now it's time to like in my own way, enjoy the fruits of my labor while doing life the way that I want to do it. I don't know if that makes sense. Like I have so much joy when I work. I love being a top performer. I love looking at myself in the mirror and saying, yeah, I did that.

Speaker 3: 11:44

I love looking back on the things that I've done and saying I chose to show up on the days when I didn't want to, and I chose to show up when stuff was really hard. Look at the hope that I gave, not only myself, which is what's happening every time I show up, but the hope that I'm able to show to people who are also going through whatever their battle is. You mentioned that strength comes through the adversity. You know it's when the muscles grow, and this is no different. This is just a bigger test than ever before. So I've just been showing up to prove to myself that I can, and now it's just like a completely different level that I've never experienced before.

Speaker 1: 12:18

Well, I remember watching, you know, my mom as a young boy and I always reference, you know, for an audience that there's. You know, my little eyes were watching how my mother showed up and what I'm hearing you say, which I think is so powerful, is you can go and build a following, right, but it's a following that you care so deeply about to coach and to move and to inspire that, you know, think of all these eyes that are watching you. I mean, you know, being in an RV going across the country, I mean people just don't do that. People say hey, can't make it to the event. And so I think it's such an amazing example that you are setting for all of these individuals that you're going to go inspire in Las Vegas. You'll continue to inspire in everything that you do.

Speaker 1: 13:04

Where did your discipline come from? I mean, you don't build a following. You don't become number one in the world at anything. You don't have 1.6 million customers because you lack discipline and work ethic. So where did work ethics start for you? Where did you learn those lessons?

Speaker 3: 13:19

One of my favorite stories is like an actually really powerful, positive childhood story of mine. My grandfather was just a workaholic and he always kept his brain really, really sharp with I don't even know what like. I don't know if you ever had a parent or a grandparent who was working into their 90s for no good reason, not like a job but he always wanted to stay sharp and I remember asking him one time I was this is my earliest memory, maybe I'm like two and a half years old, I have my hands on my hips and he's working downstairs in his basement and I said, granddaddy, why you look so hot? All you do is look, look, look. And he looked at me and he said baby girl, someday you're going to understand. And it's kind of like I have moments like like now as an example, where I go.

Speaker 3: 13:59

I worked my ass off and I still work really hard, but for so long a lot of my discipline, I think, in my hard work and my determination just came from being thrown way too early into leadership roles. No, nine year old should have to become the head of their household for all intents and purposes, but I learned that work from a young age. My first job was when I was 13,. Money could actually help control things, and so if you were disciplined in what you were doing, you could create, like I said, predictable results.

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Speaker 1: 15:11

John Gordon. Welcome back to the burn and the one truth. It is your best work, yet I can't wait to dive in. Welcome, John.

Speaker 6: 15:20

Ben, so great being with you. Pavarotti was asked about his incredible discipline for his craft and what made him so great and he said you know, everyone thinks it's discipline. He said it's not discipline, it's devotion. He was so devoted to his craft it drove his discipline. I would argue that the burn is actually driven by love, and when you love it and you want to be great at it, discipline is a lot easier. It's like you're flowing with the water. You're surfing and riding the wave rather than swimming upstream, which is what it feels like. When you don't love it, discipline is hard. No one has to make Tom Brady go work out and train when he was trying to be the best. When you want to be the best, you want to actually go and be disciplined. When you're loving doing what you do you love shooting it's easy. It's when you don't love it that makes it hard.

Speaker 6: 16:07

So did it make you think I was zooming with the Cowboys teaching this whole thing? That's in the book. Now to the Cowboys coaching staff and they said John, how do we help our players get to a high state of mind? I said you've got to get to a high state of mind. When you're in a higher state, you'll help your players be in a higher state. Going back, you're going to be on this roller coaster. You're going to have the ebbs and flows and when you're in that low state and you feel like you're going down this roller coaster, you want to jump off often. And the key is to not jump off, to realize there's going to be ebbs and flows of low states and high states, but when you're in that low state, nothing's wrong, nothing's broken. Stop thinking something's wrong, just stay on the roller coaster. And so often we ride the wave back up to a higher state of mind, and book one within the book explains a lot of that, as well as how to elevate your state of mind and also what caused your state of mind to go down in the negative thoughts. And that's the big thing, ben. As you know, so many people don't realize how negative thoughts affect them and make them feel, and this explains it and this gives visuals and once you see it, you can't unsee it. And what I love about this is how so many athletes the ones I've shared this with the coaches I share this with all last year. I never had more conversations that I've had since sharing these ideas and I want to give credit to this guy, gary Kramer, who actually taught me about low state, a high state of mind. He's the one who taught me about the clutter and the clarity and once I saw it, it really helped me and I was able to teach others. What I've been able to also explain is how this all ties into the one truth and how low state actually has to do with separateness and high state has to do with oneness, which we'll get to, I'm sure, later in the talk.

Speaker 6: 17:46

When you're looking at the circumstance and you give that circumstance power or you think that circumstance has power over you, it affects you. You look at the crowd, you see the noise of the crowd, you hear the booze or the cheers and that crowd can actually affect you in a good way or in a bad way. If you let it, you can also deal with situations where there's expectations and you can allow those pressuring expectations to affect you because you're looking at the expectations of others and saying I got to live up to those expectations. Those are all external, focused, the key with the Miami Heat and other teams. When they look inside, they're so much more powerful when I look at outside, because outside is just noise. And guess what? Djokovic takes those boos. When he hears boos and actually believes that they're cheers, he makes them mean different. It's just noise that our brain is interpreting and we give meaning to what we hear, and you can assign meaning to whatever you want, and so he's assigning a new meaning when he hears a sound. So it's really never the circumstance, it's never the sound, it's knowing. We always create from the inside out.

Speaker 6: 18:50

Going to Clemson, they created an inside out culture where the power is on the inside. Wherever we go, we're Clemson. Whoever we're playing, we're Clemson. We don't care who we're playing. It's our game, it's what we do, it's how we show up, it's the energy we bring, it's the power we have inside of us, and that's the whole coffee bean message as well. The power is inside of you. That's why the coffee bean message is so powerful Carrot, egg and coffee bean. The coffee bean transforms the environment, and you do as well.

Speaker 6: 19:19

And he cultured. I would argue. The only Reason why it works and what you're saying is because culture is the living, breathing essence of what an organization values, believes, thinks, says and does. So the culture is only powerful when it's coming from within your Ancient, within your team and within each person. So when the culture is being lived from the inside out, that's power. But in this book there's there's one that the training camp is the coaching, but then there's the understanding and the teaching that that blend science, psychology and also the understanding of biblical principles that actually are really important when understanding the one truth, not from a religious perspective at all, but understanding oneness and separateness, and once you see it, you won't be able to unsee it. So I can't wait for people to read about that as well.

Speaker 1: 20:12

Well, I can't wait for everybody to read it. John, thank you again for the continued impact you make on my life, the continued challenge and continuing to write books and to not stop. You know that's such an ultimate active leadership. Is you never being seduced by success? Or the last great book? Or I finally made it. You just keep pushing and bringing others along, and so I just I thank you so much. Today Is his daughter Skyla's first birthday. So a big happy birthday to Skyla and my friend Gerard Adams man, long time overdue, welcome to the burn.

Speaker 7: 20:47

Oh, brother, thank you so much for that. Welcome, and it's an honor to be here. Yeah, man, right back to talking about my father. I mean, on the other half was my mother and in that moment, when the stock market crashed and I had lost millions of dollars in the stock market and all having to sell my exotic cars and move out of the penthouse, I Was so ashamed in that moment because all my friends were graduating College at that moment and looking for jobs and I was like the one kid who made it quote-unquote. They didn't know that I had just lost everything and I sat with my mom. She was the one person I went to and I told my mother what had happened and she said you know, I wasn't ever gonna tell you this, but when I immigrated to this country from Columbia, I had absolutely nothing and with your uncles and aunts and your grandparents we moved into a studio apartment in Jersey City and one day I was walking home from school, my friend said to me Jenny, isn't that the building you live in? It's on fire.

Speaker 7: 21:42

My mom ran home and praying that her family would be okay to get out of there. And they got out of there, but literally, think about coming to this country with nothing. You have a little bit of something and now that burns and they literally had nothing. My mom had a drop out of high school to go get a job on canal Street in New York in the winter Never being in New York before to help get a job on this outside in the cold, to get a little bit of money to help To provide for my grandparents and the help to get them back on their feet. And my mother's telling me this and tears are rolling down her eyes and she's like, if I was able to get that, you best believe that people will come at you and you may lose certain things in life, but when you get knocked down, remember that don't never take this. And she points to her head, she points to her heart. She just don't never take that. And so you get your ass back up and you do it again. And I just thought about that. I see my mom's you know my mom crying and I was like, well, okay, she's right, I got to get back up and I did it once I could do it again. So it's always been a fire to provide. Give back to my my parents, give back to my mother and that Paired with always feeling like an underdog and I know if someone's listening to this, you know what that feels like and I grew up getting jumped for no reason and and just just went through a really tough upbringing a lot of violence, a ton of violence, and I just always felt like an underdog, whether it was my grades or sports, or then getting into these fights, that people just attacking me with bats, and just I always felt like that in my whole life and I guess that's why the the path of entrepreneurship really was the path for me.

Speaker 7: 23:22

And so for me, I've always just had a chip on my shoulder that it's like you know, I'm gonna go out there and and prove that I, that I have the capabilities of making a huge impact in this planet and and becoming massively successful, and that's over. I still have that underdog mentality, but now it's less about trying to prove myself To everyone or and really just me wanting to be the absolute best leader I can be for my family and for the legacy that I get to lead so you shared the burn.

Speaker 1: 23:53

How it motivated you when you were down, how does it now motivate you when you're up to be this leader? That's the example for other leaders.

Speaker 7: 24:02

Yeah, that's a really great question and for me it's just my faith. You know I, my buddy Brandon, calls it the God Pocket, and for me it was just like I know I'm not done yet and I started asking myself why did this happen at 30 years old? Why do I have all of this? Why did I bounce back? And now I again have Millions and millions of dollars?

Speaker 7: 24:21

And and I knew at this point time it wasn't for the exotic cars, it wasn't to have more Rolex, watches or anything like that I knew that there was a bigger purpose and I started to really start to get clear and ask myself what is that purpose and really just start connecting more deeply with my faith and start just asking God, connecting more to God.

Speaker 7: 24:39

And through that Meditation and through prayer, I just felt it like it was just like this deep, deep voice inside of me that just was just like I'm chosen and I and I feel we all are and I just. For me it was like but there's only a few that answer the call and, ben, like you made a really big impact on me, man, they know I had Ed's house. The way you came up to me, you spoke life into me and you may not even have known I was going through a tough time. It's been hard going through learning how to step into fatherhood in a way that still allows me to be the face of my movement and building businesses and all the things and you spoke life into me. That made it made an impact on me and I will I always remember that and appreciate you, brother, for the leader that you are. So thanks for having me on the show.

Speaker 1: 25:24

I can't thank you enough for those words. I'm gonna let you drop the mic with that one. So I had the blessing of meeting our guest Sean Wayland out at an event for our friend at my let out in Palm Springs about four or five months ago. I Am not gonna hold back. I have been wanting to meet Shawn for a long time. So I walk up and like Shawn, great to have the opportunity to meet you. We only had like a few minutes together. I wanted more and like in person. There's this fire and this passion that you show up with. There's a way that you think I can see that you're not seduced by success. There's a fire that comes inside of you. Where does that come from for you? What? Why do we experience this fire that comes from you?

Speaker 8: 26:03

I thought for 30 years in my life. It was the status, it was the, the checking off the boxes of the, the financial acumen of the business success, and it took almost 40 years for me to understand it. The game that I'm playing is the game of life. Literally, waking up is the single greatest gift that I've got and it's not some hokie-pokie Erie fairy like mystical, magical thing that the reality is. The money games an easy game. The business games an easy game. It's the fact that I get to wake up every single day.

Speaker 8: 26:32

I've had I can't even tell you how many people in the last two, three years that have passed away that were close to me and I realized like my clock is ticking. So I truly became obsessed with life, not like I love the money, I love the business, I love the game, I love the competition, but fucking life, like realizing I'm living this one-dimensional reality and there's millions of destinations around the world that I haven't visited yet, places that I haven't seen, books that I haven't read, people that I haven't talked to, people that haven't had a chance to sit down and smoke cigars were finished just became this, and it's seen obsession to squeeze every single second out of every single day and make it like the best fucking moment that I could even fathom, so how important is the core for been for you to attack each day, not to just live each day, but to live it and attack it.

Speaker 8: 27:20

It's as. It's as important to me as air is breathing, because I spent most of my life being that guy. Wake up, slam the coffee, go, do you know, on on the alpha and I'm just gonna, I'm gonna tackle everything that comes my way and at the end of the day, I'm the guy left like burning the candle at both ends, like not being the present father, not being the present husband, not being a Good leader, just burning myself out. Sorry, at about 33, 34 years old, I was introduced to core for and as you study it, you know guy like Steven Covey who wrote seven habits, highly effective people. He actually has the trademark in the patent on for core, not core for for core, and so he wrote that 30 years ago he coined that phrase. And so guys for years and years and years and years have had these philosophies and these modalities that they use. But when I understood it and I started to become a practitioner of it, it's the same thing is like you become a practitioner of lifting weights or working out your body or investing in your business, realizing that I don't have to eat the elephant in one bite, like the true legends. The guys who make it to Cooperstown are not the guys that are swinging for a freaking grand slay letter single time. They're the guys getting all bases, the Cal Ripkins of the world. You know what I mean. They're not the glitzy, the glamour of just getting all base over and over again and my mindset shifted to where it was like. Instead of being this dude who's just gonna run through life at a thousand miles an hour trying to just win every single thing like as big as humanly possible, I just want to get on base with my wife. I want to get on base with my business. I want to get a single in my business every single day. And what happens at the end of the year? I've got the highest batting average out of any money and I'm present with my kids and I'm just getting on base every single day Small little bites. By the time somebody's tried to fit the entire elephant in their mouth, I've already eaten five. And so every single day I just I broke everything down through core for into realizing the way that you become a champ.

Speaker 8: 29:07

You look at any sport, any sport. Dudes put in the time they put in the dividend they put in the years of just doing the monotonous, mundane work, whether it's a baseball player, football player, a basketball player, it's just a repetition of the basics. You know, I had a really cool experience of this years ago and and I know that you're big into sports and Then and coaching, I was at a Yankees Red Sox game and we were at Fenway and I got up up there about an hour before. You know, I love baseball. I grew up playing baseball and I'm watching the, these players on the field. You've got the high tooth of that to the two highest paid rosters in major league baseball, the most valuable baseball players on the fucking planet, the who's who of who's who right, and they are doing the same shit that I was doing in high school. They're doing long toss coach has the follow back, hitting the grounders, and there were. They're running the sprints to do the deal.

Speaker 8: 29:58

I was like holy shit, the dirt, the dirtier it is, it doesn't have some fancy. You know contraption. He's doing the same shit. What he did is he mastered the shit. He mastered the basics. He mastered the small, fundamental things that I was overlooking most of my career and most of my life.

Speaker 8: 30:16

I was trying to win my marriage with one annual vacation Look, honey, I'm a great husband versus small investments every single day, and so Core Four for me, became the most practical, realistic blueprint that I became addicted to. It, became obsessed with. It was just small investments every single day, literally eating a small bite of the elephant every day. Before you know, you're eating elephant after elephant after elephant after elephant. Break everything down to the simplest denominator.

Speaker 8: 30:42

You woke up today. You got a shot today, right, and I don't care how bad it is, I don't care how shitty everybody in your life is. You won the fucking lottery because, I guarantee you, you walk through a cemetery and there's a ton of motherfuckers that are dead in the ground that would give anything to trade places with you. They trade places with you, no matter how shitty your life is, no matter how dark the hole is, no matter how much money, no matter how much wife fucking hates you, how much hate you, whatever, they would trade places with you in a second. So remember that shit. You woke up. You woke up. You have another fucking day. You have another shot to completely reverse, engineer the entire game, to completely close the old book and start authoring the new one. It is completely, 100% up to you.

Speaker 5: 31:24

This week on the Burn, we're taking you to Las Vegas boot camp, where Ben had a very transparent and eye-opening conversation with Olympic gold medallist Justin Gatling. Justin shares the extreme ups and downs he faced, what it was like to race against the fastest humans on earth and how he discovered his alter ego, JGAT. All that and more starting.

Speaker 9: 31:46

I've been waiting to do this for a long time. We have man, we have We've been talking about it.

Speaker 1: 31:51

Now we get to do it Exactly. I'm going to get right down to it. What is it like to win gold? Can you take us into the stadium and help us better understand what that feeling is like and the emotion and that experience?

Speaker 10: 32:03

All right, I'm going to take you to 2004, athens, greece. My first Olympics. And I was a young guy, maybe 20 years old. I remember coming out warming up for my race and then we came through the tunnel. We came onto the track. Once we came onto the track, we were there already like 15 minutes before time. That's usually unheard of. They run a tight ship when it comes to the Olympics. You're out there, let's go, let's go.

Speaker 10: 32:36

I got onto that track. I had a teammate named Sean Crawford who I trained with that whole season. We had blood, sweat and tears together. We always said to each other before we went out there, we gave each other a fist bump and said, hey, nobody between us. If you get first, I'm getting second. If you get in seventh, I'm getting eighth. There's no one going to come between us. We're going to win together or we're going to lose together. That's the mentality that we went out to the track with. I already was energized to be there.

Speaker 10: 33:04

It was at the peak of what it is to be a track and field athlete. The Olympics that's what you dreamed about. Little kids watching television and saying that's what I want to be one day. I'm standing there at that starting line. Now, 15 minutes before time though, you start doing your warm ups, you start popping out the blocks. Then you realize, okay, I'm warmed up, but now I still have another whole 10 minutes before I have to go out and really compete. The stadium is full Over 100,000 people inside the stadium. The next thing you know, they start playing Greek music. The stadium is just loving it. They're going crazy. The energy started going from a moment that's only going to last for nine seconds, to felt like you were getting ready to watch a heavyweight match. You about to see Titans that were going to battle each other who is going to be the best in the world. That race was going to determine who was the fastest human alive. So me stepping onto that track.

Speaker 10: 34:08

When we got down in the blocks, the whole place was quiet. You can hear a pin drop. You can feel the heat of the opponents next to you, lane three and lane five. You can just feel the heat coming off their shoulders. Because you're this close to each other. All you hear is set. Then, when you hear set, you knew after that gun goes off, history is going to be made. I don't realize if anybody in the audience, if you ever been a part of history, you'd realize history is about to be made. When the first astronaut stepped on the moon, he knew before he stepped this is about to be history. That's exactly what it felt like when the gun goes off. The stadium is full of lights and flashes. From photographs and cameras you can hear cheers and roars.

Speaker 10: 35:00

The craziest thing is to run that fast. You feel like you're in the matrix. You feel like everything is moving slow. You feel like all your opponents around you are moving slow, but you're running 27 to 30 miles per hour on your feet.

Speaker 10: 35:19

I remember coming across 10 meters before the finish line. At that point in time I was just maybe a hair in front of the whole field. I remember in my mind thinking I'm about to win the Olympics. Oh my God. It was a little version of myself in my head jumping up and down what the hell am I doing this? So I come across the line. I win it in 985. Second place was 986. Third place was 987. Fourth place is 988. So it was that close. So you can imagine what it felt like in a situation like that, winning by that sum of a margin, but fourth place, losing at that sum of a margin as well, and that's what it makes up.

Speaker 10: 36:02

You got to realize. You train for the, just for the Olympics. You train for years for that moment and that moment is not even a moment. It's nine seconds, well under a minute, and that moment is going to define what happens to your career going forward. Are you a champion? Because if you're a champion now, you're on top of that podium. You get sponsors throwing at you, you get so much love coming up from all different directions, but those people who don't make it to that top.

Speaker 10: 36:34

It's almost back to the drawing board and I had the most mature moment in that time when, before the gun went off, I looked up and I said, god, I worked so hard for this. I've never been in a situation before. But please let me use every bit of fiber, every bit of faith that I have in this race and if I don't win, I'm more than happy to go back to the drawing board. Gun went off and rest was history. It was amazing, it felt amazing, but you have to ask what I do with the medal after I got the medal.

Speaker 10: 37:16

So once I went through the whole stadium and celebrated in my victory lap, and once I got my medal around my neck and had the reef around my head, this most beautiful moment I've ever experienced be able to look up at that flag, national Anthems playing for you, and the people in the stadium who are Americans. They have a tear in their eye for you because all the hard work that you put in. I go back to that Olympic Village, I take that medal off of my neck, I look at it, I wrap the ribbon around it and I tuck it in a side pocket of my carry-on bag and I said the work's not finished. I have 200 meters and I have four by one to go back out there and do. I can't be this. I can't go out there and say my job is done because I have some more to give. And that's what I did.

Speaker 1: 37:59

Thank you for being an example of what it means to live with a champion's mindset Boot Camp Family. This is one of the greatest champions to ever run the face of the earth. Give it up for Justin Gatman. Sean Casey, the mayor, welcome to the burn.

Speaker 9: 38:18

Oh man, thanks man, I'm fired up to be on the burn man. My dad was right and my dad's message to me real quick was preparation meaning opportunity, because I always said I want to play college baseball, dad, he goes. Well, if you want to play college baseball, he goes. Your opportunity probably will come along one day, but you better be prepared for it. It'd be a shame if you weren't so.

Speaker 9: 38:35

The next year I started JV. The next year I started varsity, my junior year, and he was right. I was getting exponentially better by hitting every day. By my senior year I was one of the best players in the area and it was just. You know, I was so grateful all the swings that I took in Frank Porco Tuesday nights, but the passion for hitting was I really became obsessed with getting better. And the other part of this thing with my dad and I as a father son was my senior year. This is the opportunity.

Speaker 9: 39:10

I wanted to play college baseball and I was so frustrated because I was like man, I don't have one offer from anybody, not division one, division two, division three, and I am one of the better hitters in the area now. But when I go to a tryout, ben, you know I go run the 60, you know I didn't run that well, I get cut and I'd be so frustrated because I'm like, is this a track tryout or are we doing baseball here? You know what I mean. It was like so frustrating. So I go home to my dad and I'm like dad, I don't know where the colleges are, no one's, no one's, you know calling, no one's coming. I don't know what's going on and he goes. I never forget. He said to me he goes, sean, he goes. You're right, he goes. Remember this no one is coming, no one's coming, he goes. He said no one's coming for you, man, he goes. In the lesson in life, you better learn to play offense in your life and not defense and be waiting for everybody to come to you because they're not coming. You know, you can see it, the tryout, you're getting cut and this, and that he goes. Why don't you go to them? Because my dad had just started a company, casey Chemical at the time, and we were. He would send out all these new, all these letters, like every month. He would set out these, these flyers, these brochures. I knew cause I looked all the envelopes, you know, every month. He was ridiculous. So he was like why don't you do what I'm doing? He goes, listen tomorrow after school. Why don't you sit down and write 30 letters to the 30 colleges you want to go to division one through three? He goes and and and let them know who you are. You know and and it's funny now with social media, you could send videos out. But back there in 1992, you had to send letters. So I did, he goes. So I never forget.

Speaker 9: 40:43

I come home from school, bam, bam, my dad meets me at the door. It brings me into his office office. Right, you know, his office was in our house. We sit down at the office and we start writing letters. Okay, who does your first letter? Hey, I got a university in Clemson. I'd love to go there. We'll write them a letter. I want to go to Penn State? Write them a letter. How about Marietta, division three, over here? Write them. One college of Wooster, more head state, whoever would listen I wrote these letters to and I remember getting up my dad was like hey, write one more letter. He goes. University richman sent you a brochure last year at the queso state games. Write them a letter too. So last letter bam, university richman, thanks to brochure, send it out. Senior year comes, that's where he went.

Speaker 9: 41:23

Yes, and that's where I went. Senior year comes, having a great, having a great season, wow, four games to go in the year, dude, I go four for four with eight RBIs against this team named Montor. And I remember my coach saying to me hey case, he goes. I was walking out the first base in the seventh, he goes. Hey, how many hits you have? I go four hits. How many ribbies? Eight ribbies, four doubles he goes. That's incredible, man. He turned. He turned and looked to the left, he goes. You know why he goes. You see that guy behind the backstop. I go. Yeah, he goes.

Speaker 9: 41:49

That's the university richman coach. He drove six hours to come see you play. On the count of the letter you wrote him two months ago. And sure enough, man, I went to university richman. I ended up keeping the same motto of hit every day, hit every day, hit every day. My junior year I won the NCAA batting title hit 461. It was the number one hitter individual on baseball and became a second round pick of the Cleveland Indians. Any reason I say all that stuff, man, is because only seven years earlier was that conversation with my dad of can you go talk to the coach and tell him I should be playing over this guy. I do think about had my dad decided to go talk to that coach. Maybe we're probably not talking today because I've become probably a fringe high school player.

Speaker 1: 42:33

I Gotta tie something together here, because it's really beautiful what you're articulating for all of us, backed up by all of this work, and here's what stands out to me. I know there are people listening, who you're struggling or you're waiting, or you have fears and you have doubts. When I hear you talk about all the work you put in because you listened to your dad, all of that belief and passion that we feel from you comes from the work that you did, and so, for those of you that are listening, if you're struggling in your ability to move forward, to take action, it's not happening fast enough for me. You had the aggressive patience To do what needed to be done every day, and then your dad was right. You got to create awareness To let people know who you are. Nobody's coming to bang down your door. You got to go knock down the door of opportunity and that was more action that you had to take.

Speaker 1: 43:33

A lot of people put in the work. Hey, look at me, you should come to me. You still created the awareness. It's incredible. It's just incredible what he's doing off the field and that's what the burn is all about. It's a daily choice, just like he said, one pitch at a time. It's a daily choice for you. One day at a time, connect to the burn. Let it ignite that. Why, in that purpose, todd Herman, welcome to the burn.

Speaker 11: 43:58

Newman, I've been pumped for this one.

Speaker 1: 44:00

I wouldn't wish the pain that I went through with my mother on anybody, but it's given me a burn inside to not waste a day, yeah. So how important is it to actually attack that burn rather than to run from it, which a lot of people tend to do, or to suppress it?

Speaker 11: 44:15

Well, my, my frame that I try to give people is I talk about capabilities, except it's spelled CAPE dash abilities, because Nature, I think, is our greatest teacher. You know, if something doesn't exist in nature, I'm gonna double tap on that and I'm gonna question whether it's true. A good example is that water is, and just always, good. There's hyper hydrosis so you can have too much water. When I'm floating in the middle of the ocean, the last thing I want is more sea water. Or when I'm in the desert, there's hypo. I need more water.

Speaker 11: 44:51

So I going back to that idea of we have an experience in our life that could be traumatizing or it could be a difficult or gonna challenge, and most people to your point earlier, they attach a negative meaning to it. Well, in nature it can't only be negative. There can also be something that's very positive there, and so what you're talking about is that, that Experience that happened for you. You can use that thing to fuel you, that's it to burn you up, and For me, I had some terrible experiences when I was a young kid and being sexually molested and assaulted at a church camp over the course of several days, and you know that trauma ruled a large part of my life, but it also I also created some coping mechanisms from it that ended up serving me as becoming a Fantastic coach to elite athletes and public figures and entertainers around the world and growing a massive peak performance and mental game coaching and training company. It was just when I matured later on in life that I realized that, oh, my great capability that I earned from that experience was Extraordinary compassion for other people. If you were say well, todd, what's your burn? When I started out, ben, in 97 98, the mental game coaching world wasn't a thing. Coaching wasn't. I mean, it felt like I was selling snake oil to people back then in so many ways. But I knew that for me when I played college football and I was a nationally ranked badminton player I'm not a physically gifted human being, I'm not six, four, two hundred and forty five pounds. My strength was very much my inner game and I loved talking to other athletes about it. And then I accidentally fell into a business. When you know, deborah, this one mom asked me to mentor her son in 97, september of 97, and I said, yeah, sure, and then she was like okay, todd, well, how much do you want to charge me? And I was like, oh how much 75 bucks for three sessions, which was my rate for three years. So I was pretty cheap, which, by the way, gives you a lot of reps when you're really cheap.

Speaker 11: 46:55

But early on in my early on in my career, I Thought I was competing against sports psychologists. And then I went out and I saw some of them speak and I was like, oh, I'm not competing against them because I out care all of them. I actually care about these and they don't care, they're doing it as a career. I had one lady that I saw speak in front of an Academy it was a hockey Academy in Canada and literally her opening part of the talk was I don't normally talk to kids because I actually Don't like working with kids, but I hope some of you can kind of get some things out of my talk. And I was sitting there going You've lost them, they're not gonna listen to a word that you say. And success for me. I was like, oh, I'm gonna win, like this is gonna be so easy because I'm gonna out care them.

Speaker 11: 47:38

But my burn for growing that business was there was a 16 year old kid who I got at the end of his kind of playing career. Unfortunately, he was highly ranked when he was 13 years old. He got sold a bill of goods on how to develop himself and his mental game Essentially his inner game and his own athleticism. That was completely false. It was not how you actually develop an athlete and it cost him self-confidence, it cost him a positive attitude and it cost him his playing career.

Speaker 11: 48:18

There are a bunch of 13 year old kids out there because I was who I was serving at the time, who. I'll be damned if I let some frickin clown that just because they have a couple of letters behind their name and they stayed in school for eight years, give these kids a bunch of really bad ideas about what it will take to get to where they're gonna go, or the principles or the methods or the tactics for how they can develop themselves mentally. That was my like I cared about because I was at 13 year old kid to at one point in time. So that's gonna cause me to wake up every single day and Chop wood and carry water so that I can build a business that's rooted in Actually giving a shit, because our core value number one in that business was we will out care everyone, get out of your own head of what you think you're capable of right now, because that's a lie.

Speaker 11: 49:12

It's not true. You're capable of so much more and you're always bigger than those fears, those uncertainties and those doubts. You're always gonna find a way, and how I know that's true is you're here. You're here now. That means that you've gone through a bunch of things and you're here now. You haven't quit, you're not six feet in the ground. You're here now, which means you can be here tomorrow by stepping towards some fear, some small doubt that you've got, and then you're going to be feeding a future version of you that I selfishly want to be brought to life, because I want more people, more human beings that are out there doing things that light them up, doing things that scare them, because it's going to make the world a better place for my young kids.

Speaker 1: 49:56

And now you understand why Todd and I get along. Now you understand why Todd is on the burn, and now you understand why I'm going to let that be the mic drop. The guy that I want to listen to is going to talk about buying back your time and leverage is Dan Martel. So, dan, I can't thank you enough for the opportunity to read the book before it was released. It's had a profound impact on me, so all I can say is a big thank you and welcome to the burn and for putting up with that long introduction, because it was deserved.

Speaker 12: 50:28

Dude, it's an honor.

Speaker 1: 50:29

So what can you share about the importance of capacity in the 1080-10 ratio?

Speaker 12: 50:35

Yeah, I'll unpack a lot of stuff. First off, the 1080-10 principle is because there are creative endeavors writing a book, social media speaking, training, coaching that requires an input. And I talk in the book about Steve Jobs, where his initial 10% is the ideation and the throughline, the storytelling. The creative like this is the thing we're trying to solve. This is the big monster. This is why it's important. Here's the way I'm seeing it. And then you give it to, obviously a team member or a competent team, like Steve would do at Johnny Ives in the design studio at Apple, and then they would go off and they would do the research and the ideation and the CNC machine to come up with prototypes and play with things and to kind of move it forward. That the next 80%. And then, once Johnny felt like he had something that was like good enough for Steve, then he would come back and he would evaluate and talk about the final finishing touches and really, where the rubber meets the rotor, the implementation component of that last 10%. That's Steve on stage at the Apple events unleashing his thing.

Speaker 12: 51:43

I'll give you one that a lot of people are familiar with Gary Vaynerchuk. Everybody knows Gary Vee. Here's the deal. He has a, I would guess, a $3 million a year payroll of a team that sits outside of his office called Team Gary. This is not VaynerMedia, this is not VaynerAxis, this is Team Gary of about 25 people that are his 80% and he literally interacts with them using the 1080 10 rule. He probably doesn't call it that.

Speaker 12: 52:10

I learned this through conversations with Caleb, his previous head of videography, because Caleb would say, like Gary would sit down with us and brainstorm ideas, tell us where he said certain things, we would go grab clips, ideate, and then we would just and this is so beautiful the way he does it we would come up with different creative outputs, and then we have this internal iMessage chat and all the videographers he has like four or five will post clips at for Gary to try to get his attention, and then he downloads them to his phone and he's still the guy that's doing that last 10%, publishing them on social media.

Speaker 12: 52:47

So even a guy that's running, you know, arguably a 200 million a year business with more demand on his time than anything else, has found a way to create leverage but still feel connected, so that their soul and spirit in the work that he's doing. And that's why I think the 1080 10 rule. You'll see it amongst so many different people from Elon Musk and others. They just may not call it that. I've crystallized and codified that so that I know how to you know, when it comes to creative projects, get more output.

Speaker 1: 53:16

It was the most strategic and intentional way I've ever seen the concept crafted. And that's what I'm saying. This is not a book where it's going to hit a bestseller list. It's got legs because it's finally been articulated in the right way and delivered in the right way, where people will speak about that for years to come. We have got to take action. We cannot be part of the culture. There are far too many people say how great they want to be and then we have a conversation with their action, and it's a completely different story. This book will help you to taking back your time to take that action with no excuses. So all right, dan, here I got to ask this question. So we talk about the burn. You're 265 pounds. You're doing computer programming, probably with a bag of Doritos in front of you.

Speaker 1: 54:02

And you nailed it Cool ranch, cool ranch cool ranch Doritos in a coat, maybe it was even Coke Slurpee and you're just downing this. You're so far removed and let's just go personal, like. I'm going to go run an ultramarathon. I'm going to be an Iron man. What was your burn then? What was it that caused you to say enough is enough? I got to change.

Speaker 12: 54:26

Dude, I remember the moment I'm at my friend's house and there's a party going on. I'm like 22, I think at that point, because I started coding when I was 17 and I just put on massive amount of weight, like just sitting there teaching myself how to code and just working on projects, and I sit down on his couch Is that his parents house? Because we're in our twenties and I break the couch like this old Chesterfield, like the wood bracing snaps and the whole. He, he gets super upset and he's like and he just swears at it Like F Martell, fuck your big dude, man, you can't sit down like that. And I'm just like, and I was like, dude, I'm not that big. And he's like, yeah, you are.

Speaker 12: 55:09

And I was like, and I literally went into the bathroom later and he had a scale there and I got on it, man, and I didn't like what I saw. I didn't think I was that heavy, I didn't think I was that big and the red 265. And I will tell you it has such a profound impact on me. That's why I think today I'm such a fan of measuring our results. You know this guy, Wes Watson. He says the most common thing in the world is a consistent man with no results.

Speaker 12: 55:45

And I just I realize you know the most, the most common thing in the world is a consistent man with no results. Think about it I live in a pretty cool spot with a great view and I see all these people drive to work every day and they are consistently on time, accurate and do the same thing every week and they got no new results. And I just think it's important for us to audit ourselves and say like, hey, is this actually serving me, Is it helpful or is it hurting me? Here's the thing. Every human on earth is here to do two things One, become the best expression of themselves that they can be. Ed talks about this. This is just part of everything. And then two, share that person with the world.

Speaker 1: 56:29

Will and I will always be connected because the bond of our mothers. I'll never forget the day that he contacted me when he was with the Oakland Raiders to let me know that his mother had passed away. Bill and Kathy Compton are amazing people. Kathy was a special woman, just like my mom. Her support, love and challenge for Will has made him the man that he is today, just like my mother, and her fight and her perseverance made me the man that I am today.

Speaker 1: 57:02

Kathy, this special episode is for you, bill. This special episode is for you For raising a son the right way For raising a son to constantly challenge himself, to understand what's possible and to be his best. And, will, I can never thank you enough for your trust, your friendship and I promise you, brother, you are only scratching the surface. I am in your corner forever and the best is yet to come. Congrats on an incredible nine years, really 10. Congrats on that clock starting for the Hall of Fame. I love you, brother. We are in this fight together forever.

Speaker 1: 57:49

Enjoy this very special episode of the burn and I think a lot of these guys who now reach out to you is because you become such a great example because of the fact that you were ready, that you didn't say, hey, no, the underdog gave you that chip on your shoulder and I think that's something you embraced. And then you tackled what are the little things that I can do? And I remember asking you that first meeting. I'm like, hey, what made you a captain at Nebraska? And you were like, hey, I used to pay attention to nutrition, I used to read every day, I would break down film. I said, well, let's start doing those things again. And then you did, as opposed to saying, whoa is me, I'm on the depth chart, man, I ain't going to make it. I mean, I appreciate what you're saying here, but this ain't happening for me. And you stayed focused on what you can control and you were ready for that moment.

Speaker 13: 58:31

Yeah, it's hard. You talk about embracing the underdog mentality too. It's definitely like there's a lot of pride with that. I look back now and I'm more proud of coming from that situation than I was at the time. I know, at the time I remember one of my best friends, john. Him and his wife came into town and I remember telling him like hey, this is going to be the only year I play like this fucking sucks.

Speaker 13: 58:54

I hated training camp. I hated I just it wasn't fun. The reason why it wasn't fun is because I wasn't seen as a guy. And then the ball bounces your way and then when you're running with the twos and then you're getting some opportunity the moment that I'm sure we'll get into and talk about and then you start getting seen as like oh shit, this kid can play. I was on practice squad that whole year, but anytime you're behind the eight ball, it's not, it fucking sucks. It's like when I didn't get drafted, it's not not, not even to get drafted apart, but when I didn't get invited to the combine, like that was a tough pill to swallow. Cause again, I was just mad at the, at the world. It's just like you know. But you ultimately have to understand that the sun rises the next day and you have to either change your outlook on it and start progressing toward whatever you want, like whatever you have written down Um.

Speaker 1: 59:52

But what actually in that moment, like that mindset that you had cause that was far before you know. I appreciate when you try to give me credit and things, but you always did the work, you always did the thinking, but well before me, was it your mom, was it your dad who instilled that belief in you?

Speaker 13: 1:00:05

Well, without getting emotional, it would just be you don't know it at the time, but your parents are like. You know they're working there, you know they're working their dick off to to provide. You don't know like that you're poor or low class or nothing, because you don't know any different and it's small things. It's like I remember my mom saving up box tops from cereal boxes and doing all the new tricks of the trade to save money, cut costs, and you know they busted their ass to put every amount of money into our sport camps. I fucking hated wrestling. My dad loved it. We were solid at it. My brother was the fucking animal, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:00:57

My dad's an eight.

Speaker 13: 1:00:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hated fucking working out and my dad and making me work out. Like you know, they wanted us, we were, we figured out that we could play sports and I wanted to go to football camps and they did whatever they could to travel baseball team and those are things that you reflect on. Then, when you do get the opportunity, it's like, fortunately, my dad showed me Rocky at a young age and talked about Walter Payton that he would run hills until he puked and when I get in trouble he'd be like, well, walter Payton, when he'd show up and not have the dishes done in the middle of the night, they'd wake him up out of bed. And you had all this storytelling based on motivations, because I love football. So there was, you know.

Speaker 13: 1:01:46

Yeah, like them, it's hard to articulate everything they did, but recalling all these stories, it's when you grew up in a county like St Francis County. I'm not not the shit on it, but you're in a small town, the closest cities, an hour away. You're not, it's a generational. It's a generational area, not that people don't get out and they're bums and everything else, but you don't know any different because you don't leave a whole lot. You don't know how to think big. The only way to think big is movies and sports. And oh, the Cowboys won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 13: 1:02:22

My dad buys a whole DVD set and then I'm watching these documentaries and you're just thinking, man, this is the coolest fucking thing in the world. Like, how do I do that Writing? I want to be an NFL player on when I'm in eighth grade, on when we're in career classes and knowing that everybody thinks like, yeah, this fucking kid's ridiculous being a. I was a down. You know your boy was a stud running back back in the day I'm talking in a pub but I wanted to be the next Walter Payne. I wanted to be Eddie George because I knew I was taller and bigger and you want to be the greatest running back of all time, only to find out you're a defensive guy. But you just knew when I was going to the next phase, nebraska, that there were people in our area that, like we'll see what he does, people always fizzle out. Nobody ever really makes it. So that accumulated with learning that kind of background, I know I kind of went off on tanges.

Speaker 1: 1:03:10

I just want to just capture some. It's a huge testament to your parents and capturing that mindset that's one thing. To see the movies, but it's another thing. I know how hard your parents worked but also hammered and kept instilling those values because not only you, there were three collegiate athletes in your house and there were three kids in your house, yeah, so it's a pretty amazing thing, you know, when you look back at how amazing your parents are and the job that they did.

Speaker 13: 1:03:34

It's insane, man. It's bittersweet, but I'm excited for the next chapter, this game, this process, all of it. It's all set me up for my next chapters and I'm excited. But yeah, man, it's not forever For the moments that you do get with everything, with what you love, and be able to look back on them finally and with gratitude. But shout out to you guys big hug signing kisses, be a fucking wolf.